1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 We accept a call from the defense department. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Yes. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Thank you. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Yeah, how you doing? 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Good afternoon, sir. 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 I'm calling from Parmagu California. 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Yes. 8 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Naval Air Station? 9 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Yes, sir. 10 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,000 We have a, you interested in old sightings? 11 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Sure. 12 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Okay, this occurred on the 11th of December. 13 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Okay. 14 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 And I'm an approach controller. 15 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 I was working the radar scope. 16 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 And I'll read you the statement of that prepared. 17 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Okay. 18 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Okay. 19 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,000 At approximately 8 p.m. local time on the 11th of December, I observed three to four targets 20 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 on the radar scope. 21 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Three to five nautical miles north of the Ventura Vortech. 22 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Am I going too fast? 23 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 No, sir. 24 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Okay. 25 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Paragraph two. 26 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:57,000 As it was a slow night, I paid particular attention to these targets. 27 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,000 The movement, when it could be observed, was rapid. 28 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:13,000 And then they appeared to jump five miles in a sweep of the scope. 29 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:21,000 A couple minutes later, there was a light civil aircraft making an ILS to the Oxnard 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Airport. 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,000 I called the traffic. 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:36,000 One target appeared stationary on the ILS final approach course. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And he said he had contact with the target. 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 And I asked him to describe it. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:51,000 All he said was that it had a strobe light and was between 7 and 9,000 feet. 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Okay. 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Okay, great. 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Okay, now at approximately 915, the Golden West flight, which is a commuter airline down 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:09,000 here, was outbound from Oxnard Airport to Los Angeles International. 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 I had been out on a break. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 And when I came back in to work, the radar, these three or four targets were still visible 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 on the scope. 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Okay, when the Golden West flight was a beam of the Ventura Vortech, I called the traffic 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 and told him to look high. 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 He was at 5,000, by the way. 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Okay. 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 He replied, contact. 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:45,000 And after a pause, he said that he saw strobe lights and noticed the vertical movement 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 of the traffic. 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,000 So I asked him to call me on the phone after he landed at Los Angeles. 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:00,000 And the last portion, the pilot, I have his name if you're interested. 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Sure. 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Mr. 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Coolde, and said that after he'd been handed off to Los Angeles Center, that the target 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,000 made a pass on him, approximately over Malibu Beach. 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 By this time, I think he was climbing to 7,000. 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,000 He said the speed of the contact was extremely fast. 58 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,000 And he first saw it in his 10 o'clock position. 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:43,000 He said that he saw a green and amber light, very bright, and that he would classify it 60 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 as a UFO. 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Okay. 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 That's it. 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Great. 64 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 We don't have any videotape, you know. 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Right. 66 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:58,000 It did make a pretty good impression on this pilot. 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And he works for Golden West Airlines, so I'm sure you can get all of them. 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Okay. 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 You didn't get to leave any telephone number. 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 No, I don't have a number, Graham. 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Okay. 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Golden West, I believe, is based in Los Angeles. 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I'm not even sure of that. 74 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Okay. 75 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 All right, sir. 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Can we get your name? 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Surely. 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:20,000 My name is Naval Air Station Point Magoo, California. 79 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 93042. 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:32,000 And there was another fellow that witnessed the same deal on the scope, you know, that 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 I'm telling you about. 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Yes. 83 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 And he's a Navy chief by the name of... 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Tigercraft, you know. 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Well, the reason my attention was drawn to these targets is that they were not like any 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 aircraft target I've ever seen on a scope. 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I see. 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,000 And then when I had one of them sort of hovering on the ILS final approach course, and then 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,000 I got a visual contact out of it, then I started getting a little suspicious. 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Okay. 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,000 So you see them moving on the scope or they moving at high speed? 92 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Well, when they did move, like I say, they jumped radically. 93 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 I see. 94 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Like I said, I think I mentioned that one of them moved five miles and they were very 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 small targets. 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Okay. 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Did you compute any speed? 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 No. 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Okay. 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 We don't have any kind of speed readout system. 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I see, okay. 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 But I did notice that one of the targets jumped five miles and what appeared to be the split 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 second. 104 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 I'm sure we'll wish you appreciate your reporting this. 105 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 All right. 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Very good. 107 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Thank you very much. 108 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 We'll see you later. 109 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Great. 110 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 UFO reporting center. 111 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 What caused this? 112 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 With Golden West Airlines? 113 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Yes, we'll take that. 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Hello, sir. 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 This is Alan Dredge. 116 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Are you Mr. Gribble? 117 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Is that it? 118 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 No. 119 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Would you like to speak to Mr. Gribble? 120 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Well, I received a letter from you people January the 22nd regarding a UFO sighting. 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,000 And it was just a letter that you would like to have me call. 122 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Okay. 123 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Hold on, please. 124 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Yes, sir. 125 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Is Bob Gribble speaking? 126 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Yes. 127 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 I received your letter January 22nd. 128 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Yes. 129 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 And I'm with Golden West Airlines. 130 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 And I haven't called you up until this point. 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,000 I've given an awful lot of thought, but I've just kind of been somewhat reluctant to talk 132 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:24,000 about these UFOs that my first officer and I experienced one night. 133 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Okay. 134 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 We understand that very well. 135 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,000 But what we would like to do is get a description of what you saw. 136 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Did you want that now? 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Yes, sir. 138 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Please. 139 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And I'm a captain for Golden West Airlines. 140 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Yes. 141 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And on the evening that this happened, I really saw no object as such. 142 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,000 But I was with Magoo Radar around the Ventura area. 143 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 It's about 35 miles west of Los Angeles. 144 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Yes. 145 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,000 And as I broke out of an overcast of about 3,000 feet, their comment to me was not in 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 normal reporting traffic. 147 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000 They said, by the way, Golden West, do you happen to have an object at your 10 o'clock 148 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 position? 149 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 No, I don't. 150 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,000 And shortly thereafter, of course, it got my curiosity up. 151 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 My first officer and I continued to look. 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,000 And then we saw a lighting system like I have never seen before. 153 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:29,000 It was, oh, several lights, and they were very circular in the way that they flashed. 154 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,000 And about the time I saw one at 10 o'clock, probably two to three miles away from me, 155 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 I saw another one at my 9 o'clock position. 156 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 At that time, I asked Magoo Radar if he had that one. 157 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 And he didn't have them. 158 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And to make a long story short, as we proceeded into the Los Angeles area, we watched these 159 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,000 objects off of our left side, and their movement was very geometric, not like, well, something 160 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 like a helicopter might do. 161 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 But of course, when they would move in a different direction, their speed were quite rapid. 162 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,000 But in the sky, it's my first impression. 163 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Why does it look like something you might see if they advertise on television these little 164 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 games that you have, these little knobs you move around? 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Yes. 166 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:21,000 And about, oh, I'd say after we first spotted it, I had told my first officer to turn off 167 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,000 our lights because my strolls were getting in the way, and I couldn't see one of them 168 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 anymore. 169 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And the mob, one paralleled me for maybe 10 miles. 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,000 And then he headed off in the Northwestern-y directions, and I figured that's the last 171 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I would see of it. 172 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:47,000 And at that time, he came back across my 12 o'clock position within the speed of, like 173 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 you just flip your fingers and he was there. 174 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Only thing, the lighting system had completely changed. 175 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,000 It was like somebody had just turned their headlights on, and the lights were extremely 176 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 bright. 177 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 In fact, it got so close, it just scared the hell right out of me. 178 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Any estimate of distance between you? 179 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:14,000 I would say it was within a mile, but the light intensity was so light, I never saw an object. 180 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 At this time, I had questioned LA Radar, who we had gone to at that time at least a half 181 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 dozen times for some target information. 182 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,000 And near the end, and especially when this thing came, my 12 o'clock position very dejectedly, 183 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,000 or not dejectedly, but very firmly, they just said, look, Golden West, we have no target, 184 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,000 you have no target, there is nothing in your area but you. 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,000 And this whole sequence of events, all was probably 15 minutes. 186 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Okay. 187 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,000 When that object made a, or the light made a close approach, and it became very brilliant, 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 did it illuminate the inside of the cabin at all? 189 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 No. 190 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Okay. 191 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 No, it did not. 192 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:05,000 In fact, this thing stayed, stayed, I would say, at our 12 o'clock position for maybe 30 193 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:12,000 seconds, maybe 40 seconds, and it just maintained exactly the same relative position to us. 194 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:19,000 And then this thing, it just took off in an easterly direction in front of us, and within 195 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 a matter of seconds, he, it just left, disappeared. 196 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Yes. 197 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And that was it. 198 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Now, I saw it, to explain this a little better, the lighting system. 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 I saw the movie, shortly thereafter, called Close Encounters. 200 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Oh, yes. 201 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And the way I can describe the lighting system is in the beginning of that movie, these objects 202 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 were molded, culture, whatever, was inland, and the lighting system was, it was as though 203 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 the movie was taken from what I saw. 204 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Kind of a haze, front of the light. 205 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Right. 206 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 And extremely bright. 207 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And the thing that scared the hell out of me, there's just no way that whatever that 208 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,000 thing was could move with the intensity and the speed that that thing comes to my 12 o'clock 209 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 position. 210 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Okay. 211 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Did you have radar board? 212 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 No, we did not. 213 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Okay. 214 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,000 So, what problems with electronics or instruments? 215 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Well, that thing was close by. 216 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 No, not that we noticed. 217 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Okay. 218 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:24,000 We were, for probably the last five minutes of this flight, we were both, in fact, I can't 219 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,000 even remember how I got to one place to the other, but it was, my interest was so intent 220 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 on watching that thing that I can assure that was it. 221 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Yes. 222 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:40,000 But I didn't know this until just about five days ago that the controller, and I think 223 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:47,000 his name is at Magoo radar, he did file a UFO report on it. 224 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Yes. 225 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 And after I got to LA, I called him back on the telephone and talked with him about it. 226 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,000 And he had, he said in that area for approximately three to four hours, there were three or four 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:07,000 objects of which they were just, they couldn't, he couldn't identify them once in a while. 228 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 He had them and he wouldn't. 229 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And there was another airplane, a small one, who identified some, as he told me, some strange 230 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 lies. 231 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 And when I talked to him, he just wanted a confirmation of what I'd seen in my experience. 232 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 And that was kind of the end of our conversation. 233 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Okay. 234 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 While you were watching this, was there, did you hear any other radio chatter from other 235 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 aircraft that might have seen it? 236 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 No, I didn't. 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Okay. 238 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Was this object, is your estimate on the close approach, was it quite large? 239 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:52,000 The way that the lights were when they turned to this bright amber color right in front 240 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,000 of me, if I were to guess the size, I'd say it had to be something in the size of the 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:05,000 maybe, like a light would come from an airplane in the size of a 727 or something of that order. 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Okay. 243 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,000 It had to be a larger object. 244 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Okay. 245 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Did you experience any buffeting while this was going on? 246 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 None at all. 247 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Okay. 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 All right sir, could we get your mailing address? 249 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Sure. 250 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Would there be any chance of getting the name of your co-pilot? 251 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Okay. 252 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,000 If we have anything to send to him, would it be okay to do it through you? 253 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Sure. 254 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Okay. 255 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Great. 256 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,500 Well sir, we sure appreciate your cooperation regarding this.